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Vol.112 一次非共识的2024反思和2025展望 | 对话蓝小康X牟一凌

source Episode summary Updated 2026-07-24 Tags: Podcast, Investing, Macro, China, Markets

Summary

This [[QizhulouYanBinke|起朱楼宴宾客]] episode has [[LanXiaokang|蓝小康]] and [[MouYiling|牟一凌]] review 2024 capital markets and frame 2025 through New Order Asset Pricing, Donald Trump’s return, China’s policy choices, and company-level cash-flow quality. The discussion moves from A-share style whiplash, gold, convertibles, and U.S. policy contradictions into China Supply-Side Clearing, Labor-Share Consumption Rebalancing, RMB Exchange Rate Policy, State-Owned Enterprise Social Value, Active Management Style Evolution, and Belt and Road External Demand. Its strongest synthesis is that old market consensus may be a residue of the old global order; 2025 investment judgment has to test whether new order, distribution, supply, and enterprise-value assumptions are becoming investable.

Key Claims

  • [[LanXiaokang|蓝小康]] treats 2024’s January/February and September inflection points as times when valuation, policy, and confidence in China’s long-run development justified staying invested, while also saying he underweighted consumption before policy emphasis shifted.
  • [[MouYiling|牟一凌]] describes 2024 as a year when many expected risk events, style rotations, and reversals appeared imminent but did not fully validate, making market behavior hard to explain through a single fundamental line.
  • The episode uses “金” to join three 2024 frames: gold as a strong asset, “golden pit” opportunities in equities and convertibles, and the shadow cast by Donald Trump’s return.
  • Trump 2.0 is treated as a more organized policy ecosystem than a personality story, but the episode stresses internal tensions among tariffs, reshoring, tax cuts, inflation control, energy prices, deficits, and the strong-dollar role.
  • The U.S. soft-landing and “U.S. stocks do not fall” consensus is presented as fragile because low option protection costs, crowding, and policy incoherence can turn into [[MarketRegimeShift|regime]] volatility.
  • [[MouYiling|牟一凌]] argues that AI is real but market imagination has run ahead of application speed, especially when compared with 2023 capital-market expectations around AI Equity Valuation Risk.
  • The China section distinguishes national competitiveness from listed-company profit: stronger macro or industrial capacity does not automatically mean current shareholders receive higher income.
  • China Supply-Side Clearing is central to the domestic policy reading: production can expand while PPI and profit fall, so policy may need to alter supply ecology and force weak firms out rather than only stimulate demand.
  • Labor-Share Consumption Rebalancing reframes consumption policy as distribution and income repair, not only as temporary subsidies or inflationary demand stimulus.
  • The source rejects a simple “China equals Japan” analogy by arguing that RMB Exchange Rate Policy and China’s industrial anchors depend on whether China remains inside the old U.S.-led order or helps build a new one.
  • State-Owned Enterprise Social Value is treated as investable only if valuation recognizes long-duration public-service cash flows, low-cost social infrastructure, and policy-aligned returns rather than applying an excessive discount rate.
  • Active Management Style Evolution is defended through stable cash flows, duration, company culture, technology, information systems, and the fund manager’s evolving “bottom-layer algorithm”, not through a fixed red-dividend label.
  • Belt and Road External Demand is the main 2025 upside that [[MouYiling|牟一凌]] highlights: a transition from defensive overseas presence to active market opening could create new demand for Chinese capacity.

Key Quotes

“也无风雨也无晴” — [[MouYiling|牟一凌]]’s 2024 market summary in the episode.

“既要又要” — [[LanXiaokang|蓝小康]]’s shorthand for tensions inside U.S. policy promises.

“以我为主” — the turn from external shock to China’s own policy and confidence path.

“非共识可能成为新共识” — the closing frame for why old consensus may lag new order.

Connections

Contradictions

  • No direct contradiction with existing wiki pages found.
  • The source itself creates productive tensions: it says China policy can improve the macro ecology without quickly improving listed-company earnings, and it argues that old order-based consensus may fail while also admitting that the proposed 2025 framework is long-horizon and hard to verify in the short run.